Vladimir Putin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:22 pm
That sounds fuckin good! Goes from wound up old Marshall to a modded out old Marshall
on a side note I am still blown away by how wide the 5153 is
Yeah definitely more modded Marshall but that’s what I would go for anyway. But the owner at the shop has some real Plexis he’s said he’s gonna bring in for me to try out, and gonna use my Brown box to lower the voltage and see if that really does the “thing”. I imagine it will!
Yeah it’s full cab width. It’s got the handles in the side so honestly while it’s a bit more cumbersome, ya get used to it
Hopefully no one listens to the end. Lol. But I blew out some VH riffs with my cab and mic. I completely forgot a few of em, so some bad playing here. But the tone is there. Maybe not so much on House of Pain since that was a different tone altogether to my ears. But man, the WACF type tone, it’s there. It’s stay together really well at high volumes. The low end is really nice and full while being pretty tight. Just a 57 on the EVH Celestion. Nothing post eq
Endtime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:28 pm
Hopefully no one listens to the end. Lol. But I blew out some VH riffs with my cab and mic. I completely forgot a few of em, so some bad playing here. But the tone is there. Maybe not so much on House of Pain since that was a different tone altogether to my ears. But man, the WACF type tone, it’s there. It’s stay together really well at high volumes. The low end is really nice and full while being pretty tight. Just a 57 on the EVH Celestion. Nothing post eq
Nice I can hear a bit of that Soldano vibe too. The thing that’s really cool, is while I love the amp and most 5150s, being Im pretty analytical about tones, being I also mix all my shit too, there’s always something in a tone that’s either a tad too much, or. A weird frequency spike or hole in the tone. This time, and I suppose old. EVH too, there’s none of that. It’s like it’s all filled out. And smoothed out too. It’s still got its bite, but it’s just such a full “complete” tone. That really does seem to come with the volume and that el34 compression. But yeah just how it encompasses everything leaves little feeling out of place… it’s very expressive tone too. You get what you put in, which for sure gets that EVH energy and vibe.
Another sorta not surprising observation. The JB pickup, which I used 2 different guitars loaded with a JB in these clips, that is clearly the best pickup for this tone and running an amp full out. Almost the same thing happens where all its little idiosyncrasies comes together. It’s got good bounce and chunk in the lows, the highs “sing” like many say about it. Those mids seem to add the right amount of bite. I tried a few other guitars and those were the ones that sounded a bit hard harsh or stiff… Tried and true. I can really see how most likely that pickup was dialed and created with the Amps and tones of the time
Endtime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:08 am
Nice I can hear a bit of that Soldano vibe too. The thing that’s really cool, is while I love the amp and most 5150s, being Im pretty analytical about tones, being I also mix all my shit too, there’s always something in a tone that’s either a tad too much, or. A weird frequency spike or hole in the tone. This time, and I suppose old. EVH too, there’s none of that. It’s like it’s all filled out. And smoothed out too. It’s still got its bite, but it’s just such a full “complete” tone. That really does seem to come with the volume and that el34 compression. But yeah just how it encompasses everything leaves little feeling out of place… it’s very expressive tone too. You get what you put in, which for sure gets that EVH energy and vibe.
Another sorta not surprising observation. The JB pickup, which I used 2 different guitars loaded with a JB in these clips, that is clearly the best pickup for this tone and running an amp full out. Almost the same thing happens where all its little idiosyncrasies comes together. It’s got good bounce and chunk in the lows, the highs “sing” like many say about it. Those mids seem to add the right amount of bite. I tried a few other guitars and those were the ones that sounded a bit hard harsh or stiff… Tried and true. I can really see how most likely that pickup was dialed and created with the Amps and tones of the time
Seymour created the JB for Jeff Beck in 1984. James Brown didn't create the 5150 until 1992. I would say that the JB was created for whatever Marshall amps Beck was using at the time. To be honest though, sometimes I think that Seymour just tries to get PAF numbers from a higher gauge wind. Larry Dimarzio has historically been more interested in trying new recipes with passive pups.
Endtime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:08 am
Nice I can hear a bit of that Soldano vibe too. The thing that’s really cool, is while I love the amp and most 5150s, being Im pretty analytical about tones, being I also mix all my shit too, there’s always something in a tone that’s either a tad too much, or. A weird frequency spike or hole in the tone. This time, and I suppose old. EVH too, there’s none of that. It’s like it’s all filled out. And smoothed out too. It’s still got its bite, but it’s just such a full “complete” tone. That really does seem to come with the volume and that el34 compression. But yeah just how it encompasses everything leaves little feeling out of place… it’s very expressive tone too. You get what you put in, which for sure gets that EVH energy and vibe.
Another sorta not surprising observation. The JB pickup, which I used 2 different guitars loaded with a JB in these clips, that is clearly the best pickup for this tone and running an amp full out. Almost the same thing happens where all its little idiosyncrasies comes together. It’s got good bounce and chunk in the lows, the highs “sing” like many say about it. Those mids seem to add the right amount of bite. I tried a few other guitars and those were the ones that sounded a bit hard harsh or stiff… Tried and true. I can really see how most likely that pickup was dialed and created with the Amps and tones of the time
Seymour created the JB for Jeff Beck in 1984. James Brown didn't create the 5150 until 1992. I would say that the JB was created for whatever Marshall amps Beck was using at the time. To be honest though, sometimes I think that Seymour just tries to get PAF numbers from a higher gauge wind. Larry Dimarzio has historically been more interested in trying new recipes with passive pups.
Well that’s kinda my point. I’m running this like a wide open Marshall. And people can say what they want about 5150s not being Marshall derived. This one was specifically marketed as BEING closer to the old EVH tone. Of course the red channel is modern EVH, but the blue is Marshall’y for sure. And running like the old Marshalls seems to do the thing. That’s what I was referring to
I don’t believe that date for the JB is right. Seymour was putting out ads listing the JB at the same time he wasn’t getting cease and desisted by EVH about associating his name with the Custom, which I think would’ve been like 79. I believe Duncan themselves not use a date of 1976.
macaronisalad wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:12 pm
I don’t believe that date for the JB is right. Seymour was putting out ads listing the JB at the same time he wasn’t getting cease and desisted by EVH about associating his name with the Custom, which I think would’ve been like 79. I believe Duncan themselves not use a date of 1976.
Yeah I believe his JB “concept set”(which he sells in the Custom shop) was 70s. But my point and its just MY observation, that pickup responds really well to high volume and its issues when used with modern high gain(for some people anyway, including myself) seem to benefit when used into cranked amps. Which were generally Marshall’s back in the day. And JBs were certainly a popular pickup back when that was the defacto way amps were being used. It responds best from my stash of guitars and pickups. So take that FWIW. And I bet a Super Distortion sounds great into a cranked amp too. And then PAFs. There’s obviously a reason those pickups became so popular and used by everyone. If the JB sucked into a cranked Marshall type tone, then I’m sure no one would know about a JB today.
macaronisalad wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:12 pm
I don’t believe that date for the JB is right. Seymour was putting out ads listing the JB at the same time he wasn’t getting cease and desisted by EVH about associating his name with the Custom, which I think would’ve been like 79. I believe Duncan themselves not use a date of 1976.
You could be right. Outside my office door at the Hard Rock Hotel was one of Beck's first Jackson Charvel's with a JB. It was an '84, so I guess I assumed. I daydreamed about stealing that guitar like every day. I actually did stop someone from stealing it once. Too bad it wasn't one of my friends.
The JB was created for Beck's Tele-Gib guitar around '76, it predates his Jacksons. I have a '77 JB here that came installed on my '78 Les Paul. But it broke a while ago. I want to send it to Seymour Duncan and have it fixed. It sounded great.
I agree JBs are great pickups for cranked Marshalls, their mid hump helps focus the tone.
