Another little comparison. Same speakers = different speakers!

[Endtime]

So I decided to make a clip using both Speakers. Old ad New. Put a 421 on the more mid heavy "newer" and a 57 on the scoopier old one. Funny I also dialed in the amp with EQ all at noon.. I turned down the blue gain to noon as well. If ya know ya know.. Even tho this is the red channel. Gain was 7.5 and presence was 7.5.. It seems with these speakers, in this cab which seems to represent their true tone rather well, because overall they are more scooped, the amp eq controls have more sweep at what's usable..

It was just a simple riff I made up to record, which felt like it'd be easy to solo over. And since I brought my 5150 combo yesterday as backup to the show, I said, well lets use that to solo!! So the combo is doing the solo, the evh 5153 el34 100 watt doing the rhythms.. I made a video.. Which I uploaded to BOX.. Channeling my inner Van Halen with some tapping and a smoke!! haha. Takes a sec to load cause its a bigger file, but only a 1 minute long vid

https://app.box.com/s/oco6kdnbgy3fdpjhlfx3ktdk58u7nih5

[Maddnotez]

both sound great, and it kind of annoys me cause i cant stand greenbacks and can make them sound shitty with the best of em. i might have to check out the fabfilter stuff as well, been watching guys use them for years. whats this the red or blue channel?

Red channel.. All that gain! But it’s clear. Just super saturated. Like I said it was my Evh Wolfgang special body, with an old maple PV Wolfgang neck. Love those necks. Fat and chunky but perfect for my hands… with a Evh Wolfgang pickup. To me it’s the closest representation I have of what I think the Wolfgang was designed trying to sound like from EVH. Most of mine I do what works BEST for me of course. It I did always want one that felt true to the design. And after swapping all kinds of necks and pickups around all my wokfgangs, this one pretty much nailed that sound and feel. I honestly love that guitar!

The FabFilter I look at as like a super easy to use and great tool for quick problem solving. I was telling Raf I rarely use it for ACTUAL broad EQ tweaks. Altho I will at times. I like using channel strip plugins with their EQs to do any EQ. Which is very minimal these days.. but the FabFilter easily shows any stray frequencies maybe running out of control, or cab resonances. Also has that dynamic EQ which is essentially compression, so is use that on my “chug” frequencies to tame them down a bit. And those 2 moves take a minute to find and dial in, or dial out those strays, and that alone seems to get most my tones 75% of the way there. There’s no more way to embed FB posts. But I just remembered i posted a Slayer cover, cause it made sense! lol . With that guitar. This post had nothing to do with the guitar… But whatver. This is the “perfected” Wolfgang for me. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BSgU5 ... tid=wwXIfr

I guess to me the second clip seems a little more low mid focused maybe a little smoother with less bite but a few minor tweaks could change that.

All I know is you get some amazing quality sounding guitar tones recorded. What's the secret? That fab filter?

cool thanks! But I did do the tweaks to both of these! I dipped the brightness on the 2nd clip a fair bit. I could have prolly done a little less, but I just eq’d em to what sounded best to me individually.

Is the FabFilter the secret??? I’d say it’s something I always use these days. But like I just explained to Race… Basically use it as a problem solver. In the end, it’s nothing DRASTIC as far as actual EQ moves, but getting out problem frequencies is definitely sumthin that turns stuff like guitar tones, into more “polished” and dialed in straight away. Cause distorted tones have all kinds of “wild” things going on that just a few small moves can really make a difference

Do you drastically bump and sweep the frequencies then cut the nasty noises? I've seen that a lot and used to do it but haven't in a while.

[Endtime]

both sound great, and it kind of annoys me cause i cant stand greenbacks and can make them sound shitty with the best of em. i might have to check out the fabfilter stuff as well, been watching guys use them for years. whats this the red or blue channel?

Red channel.. All that gain! But it’s clear. Just super saturated. Like I said it was my Evh Wolfgang special body, with an old maple PV Wolfgang neck. Love those necks. Fat and chunky but perfect for my hands… with a Evh Wolfgang pickup. To me it’s the closest representation I have of what I think the Wolfgang was designed trying to sound like from EVH. Most of mine I do what works BEST for me of course. It I did always want one that felt true to the design. And after swapping all kinds of necks and pickups around all my wokfgangs, this one pretty much nailed that sound and feel. I honestly love that guitar!

The FabFilter I look at as like a super easy to use and great tool for quick problem solving. I was telling Raf I rarely use it for ACTUAL broad EQ tweaks. Altho I will at times. I like using channel strip plugins with their EQs to do any EQ. Which is very minimal these days.. but the FabFilter easily shows any stray frequencies maybe running out of control, or cab resonances. Also has that dynamic EQ which is essentially compression, so is use that on my “chug” frequencies to tame them down a bit. And those 2 moves take a minute to find and dial in, or dial out those strays, and that alone seems to get most my tones 75% of the way there. There’s no more way to embed FB posts. But I just remembered i posted a Slayer cover, cause it made sense! lol . With that guitar. This post had nothing to do with the guitar… But whatver. This is the “perfected” Wolfgang for me. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BSgU5 ... tid=wwXIfr

I guess to me the second clip seems a little more low mid focused maybe a little smoother with less bite but a few minor tweaks could change that.

All I know is you get some amazing quality sounding guitar tones recorded. What's the secret? That fab filter?

cool thanks! But I did do the tweaks to both of these! I dipped the brightness on the 2nd clip a fair bit. I could have prolly done a little less, but I just eq’d em to what sounded best to me individually.

Is the FabFilter the secret??? I’d say it’s something I always use these days. But like I just explained to Race… Basically use it as a problem solver. In the end, it’s nothing DRASTIC as far as actual EQ moves, but getting out problem frequencies is definitely sumthin that turns stuff like guitar tones, into more “polished” and dialed in straight away. Cause distorted tones have all kinds of “wild” things going on that just a few small moves can really make a difference

Do you drastically bump and sweep the frequencies then cut the nasty noises? I've seen that a lot and used to do it but haven't in a while.

The FabFilter basically does that for you. There’s a “method” that basically slows the spectrum analyzer to the point it just shows where there’s a build up of frequencies running a bit out of control, and when in that mode the eq is already set up for a narrow band/notch type setting, you simply put the cursor over that frequency that’s running stray and dip it down. Problem solved! Takes like 10 seconds to find and eliminate em. So yeah I DO do that. In the past if I felt something was off I would do the old school method of using my ears and use a notch filter and sweep and try and hear the ones annoying me. But I wouldn’t say it was an exact science…. This does that, with very little guess work and to my ears it’s basically exact

[Maddnotez]

Red channel.. All that gain! But it’s clear. Just super saturated. Like I said it was my Evh Wolfgang special body, with an old maple PV Wolfgang neck. Love those necks. Fat and chunky but perfect for my hands… with a Evh Wolfgang pickup. To me it’s the closest representation I have of what I think the Wolfgang was designed trying to sound like from EVH. Most of mine I do what works BEST for me of course. It I did always want one that felt true to the design. And after swapping all kinds of necks and pickups around all my wokfgangs, this one pretty much nailed that sound and feel. I honestly love that guitar!

The FabFilter I look at as like a super easy to use and great tool for quick problem solving. I was telling Raf I rarely use it for ACTUAL broad EQ tweaks. Altho I will at times. I like using channel strip plugins with their EQs to do any EQ. Which is very minimal these days.. but the FabFilter easily shows any stray frequencies maybe running out of control, or cab resonances. Also has that dynamic EQ which is essentially compression, so is use that on my “chug” frequencies to tame them down a bit. And those 2 moves take a minute to find and dial in, or dial out those strays, and that alone seems to get most my tones 75% of the way there. There’s no more way to embed FB posts. But I just remembered i posted a Slayer cover, cause it made sense! lol . With that guitar. This post had nothing to do with the guitar… But whatver. This is the “perfected” Wolfgang for me. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BSgU5 ... tid=wwXIfr

cool thanks! But I did do the tweaks to both of these! I dipped the brightness on the 2nd clip a fair bit. I could have prolly done a little less, but I just eq’d em to what sounded best to me individually.

Is the FabFilter the secret??? I’d say it’s something I always use these days. But like I just explained to Race… Basically use it as a problem solver. In the end, it’s nothing DRASTIC as far as actual EQ moves, but getting out problem frequencies is definitely sumthin that turns stuff like guitar tones, into more “polished” and dialed in straight away. Cause distorted tones have all kinds of “wild” things going on that just a few small moves can really make a difference

Do you drastically bump and sweep the frequencies then cut the nasty noises? I've seen that a lot and used to do it but haven't in a while.

The FabFilter basically does that for you. There’s a “method” that basically slows the spectrum analyzer to the point it just shows where there’s a build up of frequencies running a bit out of control, and when in that mode the eq is already set up for a narrow band/notch type setting, you simply put the cursor over that frequency that’s running stray and dip it down. Problem solved! Takes like 10 seconds to find and eliminate em. So yeah I DO do that. In the past if I felt something was off I would do the old school method of using my ears and use a notch filter and sweep and try and hear the ones annoying me. But I wouldn’t say it was an exact science…. This does that, with very little guess work and to my ears it’s basically exact

Nice i really need to check that out. I saw it for sale on Etsy for like $20 but im not sure if that's legit or not.

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Guessing not.. lol. In years past I had plenty of cracked software. Nowadays tho I don’t have any. I suppose it’s always a risk installing that stuff, but it’ll never be $20

[ninjaraf]

Yeah, it's worth the $180 for that feature alone.

[Maddnotez]

Is this the right one? $85 on sweetwater

[ninjaraf]

No that’s the upgrade if you already have proq3.

[RaceU4her]

I probably just need to suck it up and buy that FabFilter EQ lol.

Honestly, I wouldn’t want to mix without it.. Sometimes I think I use it to where it makes shit too polished. Like in the past I rarely went and found cab resonances that were out of control. But listening to old clips I can totally hear these frequencies. The “good” thing is it kept my recordings a little dirtier/raw sounding which I like for my shit. But then once you “hear” these frequencies/resonances, it’s not like they sound GOOD! Lol. So it’s real easy to get a sorta “perfected” tone these days, even if mic position isn’t perfect. It helps identify those strays really easy and dip em 4-5 db, and it cleans up and dials in the tone pretty much straight away. For the “new speaker” clip, there was one at 620 and 1200. Might even be the harmonic of each other. And I dipped both of those like I said, and it sounded what you hear. Which to me feels like a dialed in mic’d tone and that’s all it took was taking a bit of those out…

So yeah, FabFilter is FAR more valuable than any piece of guitar gear costing the same amount of money… WAY more valuable and useful


Plus it has “dynamic” EQ, which I use for the Sneap compression trick of just compressing the chug lows. Just set up a band covering 100-220hz or so. So it’s just compressing the lows when palm muting. . So I use the fabgilter for that compression for the chugs. Just 3db of compression, but it keeps those nice and level while still offering plenty of chunk and power for chugs, and use it to identify the stray frequencies and then I usually use my SSL channel strip plug for any actual eq adjustments since that’s a little more colored.

the only plugins i usually use are the SSL G strip and compressor, 1176, the stock reaper multiband for the Sneap trick if needed, and maybe the stock reaper EQ if i want to do sweeps or whatever, its cool like you said to keep it kind of old school and raw, which was kind of my goal when i tried to get serious with mixing, but hearing examples like this make me think i probably could use a little more polish sometimes. i do have Ozone 10 that has a bunch of individual plugins, i wonder if there is something comparable to this in there

[ninjaraf]

Ozone is awesome. I also have 10…the dynamic EQ can do similar stuff.