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Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:12 pm
by Guitarbilly
Why not switch the drums to e-kits too? Seems like that would be the biggest rig and loudest source of stage volume.
Genuinely curious, not trolling.
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:37 pm
by ninjaraf
I am gonna troll...
The real question is why do you like sucking.
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:45 pm
by Guitarbilly
ninjaraf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:37 pm
I am gonna troll...
The real question is why do you like sucking.
That's actually not trolling. It's a valid point. I think it'd suck
less if there wasn't a real kit onstage completely murdering the modelers.
Point being: I much prefer the old school way: amps and kit.
But IF you're going digital, why not go
all digital?
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:51 pm
by nightflameauto
I've always wondered about this too. The few local shows I went to where I saw nothing but a couple modelers sitting on a table behind the band they still had a big drum kit. Are they scared they'll look like a nineties dance band if they have an e-kit?
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:10 pm
by Guitarbilly
nightflameauto wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:51 pm
I've always wondered about this too. The few local shows I went to where I saw nothing but a couple modelers sitting on a table behind the band they still had a big drum kit. Are they scared they'll look like a nineties dance band if they have an e-kit?
E-kits can look pretty real these days. I have one in my studio that looks practically normal
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:46 pm
by macgaj3
drums are loud but they're not directional. the venue i used to run was small enough that a normal drummer would basically be at the "right" volume for a show. the directionality of a guitar amp is the issue. the benefit of a modeler is that it takes a variable out of the house mix, and makes everything more controllable. you also eliminate a lot of the bleed into the vocal mics. the house sounds better.
the obvious caveat is that lots of sound guys suck and it ends up sounding shitty. but at the same time, when a band shows up with a superlead and an ampeg fridge and drowns out the drums, you're never going to get a good mix either.
just listen to your band without ear plus to make sure your amps are at an appropriate volume compared to the drums, and you'll be fine in 99% of rooms.
and while e-kits sound better than they ever have, i would liken the switch from an acoustic kit to electric drums to be closer to giving up an acoustic guitar in favor of an acoustic guitar synth sound than moving from amp to modeler. there's a realness in a live room that is a WAY bigger difference than you get with a modeler.
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:29 am
by Guitarbilly
macgaj3 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:46 pm
drums are loud but they're not directional. the venue i used to run was small enough that a normal drummer would basically be at the "right" volume for a show. the directionality of a guitar amp is the issue. the benefit of a modeler is that it takes a variable out of the house mix, and makes everything more controllable. you also eliminate a lot of the bleed into the vocal mics. the house sounds better.
the obvious caveat is that lots of sound guys suck and it ends up sounding shitty. but at the same time, when a band shows up with a superlead and an ampeg fridge and drowns out the drums, you're never going to get a good mix either.
just listen to your band without ear plus to make sure your amps are at an appropriate volume compared to the drums, and you'll be fine in 99% of rooms.
and while e-kits sound better than they ever have, i would liken the switch from an acoustic kit to electric drums to be closer to giving up an acoustic guitar in favor of an acoustic guitar synth sound than moving from amp to modeler. there's a realness in a live room that is a WAY bigger difference than you get with a modeler.
There's nothing wrong with what you said, but it's a different topic than what I was asking... good points though.
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:32 am
by macaronisalad
All of it just makes me sad that Rock has turned “polite”
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:59 am
by banana hammock
Didn't someone come out with another Ekit that looks real. I remember the price being wallet melting though.
Re: Question for bands using modeling
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 12:54 pm
by andvari7
banana hammock wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:59 am
Didn't someone come out with another Ekit that looks real. I remember the price being wallet melting though.
Yeah, dw released an eKit that is priced into the stratosphere. Probably really good, too.