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He probably has a ton of money tied in it and he's trying to push it as "the future". Which makes me think it's probably not being as profitable as he hoped it to be.

The cost of developing and maintaining AI is astronomical. There is a big chance that they won't generate enough subscribers to make this work, at which point they might try to go after royalties from artists that used their shit.

Actually, I was talking to my dad the other day (he's been a corporate lawyer for over 50 years) about AI and he's 100% certain that that's going to happen at some point and these companies will go after royalties from content generated by their AI.

Ugh, no thanks, I'll write my own shit.

Seems like not posting your own content anywhere will be the only way to protect it from AI mining.

I hope the entire thing collapses.

I gotta get my music out there before ai really becomes a thing so there’s no doubt I actually wrote it

nightflameauto wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:52 pm he's speaking directly to the "gotta make everything about making money" folks. I know I had several of these people in my family. Both my parents lectured me relentlessly about making sure I was focusing on "the right kind" of music when I got deeper into making music myself. They wanted me to focus on top 40 type pop because that's the money maker. "Gotta play what people wanna hear."

This was my father, he sang in cover bands and was a DJ all his life who writing original stuff was not a thing. He couldn’t for the life of him figure out why I would want to play my own music to 30 people in a vfw hall who actually showed up to see me instead of playing mustang sally in a bar where people already were and getting paid for it, and he loved letting me know his thoughts. He would try and set me up in his friends bands, mostly hoping I’d join so he wouldn’t have to pay a cover anymore, and then when I would tell him no thanks he’d go off on his narcissistic rage lol.

turbopablo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:34 pm Seems like not posting your own content anywhere will be the only way to protect it from AI mining.

I hope the entire thing collapses.

This same thing is happening in the fiction world. Most publishers now feed your manuscript into an AI to train it on editing, and at the same time, train it on writing. About 75% of the writing "tools" marketed toward us non-pro writers suck the data into the AI trainers as part of the process now. Grammarly and ProWritingAid would be two of them that suck every word into their training datasets.

It's inevitable. If you publish any content, it *WILL* be sucked into the machines. Us small timers just have to hope we don't gain enough of an audience to be worth suing. Or, hope that our copyright filing makes it into the Library of Congress before theirs does.

RaceU4her wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:53 pm
This was my father, he sang in cover bands and was a DJ all his life who writing original stuff was not a thing. He couldn’t for the life of him figure out why I would want to play my own music to 30 people in a vfw hall who actually showed up to see me instead of playing mustang sally in a bar where people already were and getting paid for it, and he loved letting me know his thoughts. He would try and set me up in his friends bands, mostly hoping I’d join so he wouldn’t have to pay a cover anymore, and then when I would tell him no thanks he’d go off on his narcissistic rage lol.

Neither of my parents did anything with music once they escaped school, which made their constant shrieking about it especially silly.

nightflameauto wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:21 pm

turbopablo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:34 pm Seems like not posting your own content anywhere will be the only way to protect it from AI mining.

I hope the entire thing collapses.

This same thing is happening in the fiction world. Most publishers now feed your manuscript into an AI to train it on editing, and at the same time, train it on writing. About 75% of the writing "tools" marketed toward us non-pro writers suck the data into the AI trainers as part of the process now. Grammarly and ProWritingAid would be two of them that suck every word into their training datasets.

It's inevitable. If you publish any content, it *WILL* be sucked into the machines. Us small timers just have to hope we don't gain enough of an audience to be worth suing. Or, hope that our copyright filing makes it into the Library of Congress before theirs does.

RaceU4her wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:53 pm
This was my father, he sang in cover bands and was a DJ all his life who writing original stuff was not a thing. He couldn’t for the life of him figure out why I would want to play my own music to 30 people in a vfw hall who actually showed up to see me instead of playing mustang sally in a bar where people already were and getting paid for it, and he loved letting me know his thoughts. He would try and set me up in his friends bands, mostly hoping I’d join so he wouldn’t have to pay a cover anymore, and then when I would tell him no thanks he’d go off on his narcissistic rage lol.

Neither of my parents did anything with music once they escaped school, which made their constant shrieking about it especially silly.

So that would mean copywriting before release for anyone writing original music, no?

turbopablo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:51 pm
So that would mean copywriting before release for anyone writing original music, no?

Pretty much. It's been recommended to me by some "in the know" folks that with fiction it's best to copyright well in advance of public release of any kind. Don't even put out publicity snippets before release. Which makes it hard for us hobby dorks that belong to a few online writer's groups who are trying to help each other along. The AI data aggregators are watching those forums all the time, sucking up every snippet they can.

I wonder if they're watching forums like this place for music stealing? I know Soundcloud has data aggregators feeding the machine. My biggest issue with current gen AI mixing/mastering software that most all of them work by shuffling your clips to their servers to process. Not much interested in handing my work over to the machines at this point. Zero trust is the only way forward.

Or just go for it and damn the consequences like most are doing.

Yeah I copyright everything before releasing it. Technically, you don't need to, the copyright automatically applies upon release so if you have any kind of timestamp for the release you can use that in a civil case.
However, having an actual copyright file number makes things easier because it allows you to use the CCB court for claims up to 30k instead of having to go to actual court. So by all means do it.

Guitarbilly wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:10 pm He probably has a ton of money tied in it and he's trying to push it as "the future". Which makes me think it's probably not being as profitable as he hoped it to be.

Totally agree. I bet he thought he was going to make a fortune when he started the project.
Last year, I tried a different AI song-creation-website and the results were very mediocre.
I'm sure the vast majority of visitors, to his website, are curious people who try it once or twice and move on, never to return.

Is AI song-creation software a threat to real musicians?
Maybe it will be in a few years... especially, if all those AI bands on Spotify start to take off.

I'MAPUNKROCKERDAMNIT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:37 pm Is AI song-creation software a threat to real musicians?
Maybe it will be in a few years... especially, if all those AI bands on Spotify start to take off.

It's definitely a threat if you're doing commercial music for advertising etc. That will go away soon.

If you're an artist releasing albums that have a following, the people that like your music are not going to abandon you because of AI.